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Oct 17, 2008  |  By: DALE CARPENTER  | COMMENTS      Printer Friendly Version

NOT LONG AGO, columnist Wayne Besen wrote that gay Republicans have “no place” in the GLBT movement. Because they support John McCain this year, he charged, they are “shamefully in cahoots” with anti-gay forces. He claimed they have a “suicidal tendency” they must overcome. All that was missing was the tired analogy to Jewish Nazis.

Besen is no kook. He’s a widely read gay writer who fits squarely in the mainstream of the GLBT movement. It’s safe to say he was expressing openly what many people, especially leaders, within the movement privately think about gay conservatives.

In fact, Besen’s column was only the latest in a barrage of attacks against gay conservatives this election season. Time and again gay conservatives have been called self-hating, treasonous, and selfish. It’s the worst vitriol against gay conservatives I’ve seen in 15 years in this movement.

The co-founder of Manhunt was forced to resign from the company’s board because he dared to make a campaign contribution to John McCain, which started talk of a boycott against the company.
People are free to boycott companies if they want to, but the fact that supporting McCain was seen as worthy of a boycott is deeply disturbing. The GLBT movement does not tolerate such dissent.
What’s next? Banning conservative columnists from gay newspapers?
 
MY PRIMARY REACTION to all this has been rising anger. How dare these self-appointed High Priests of the Movement excommunicate the ideological infidels? As a gay conservative, I have worked my entire adult life for gay rights. It has been the focus of my scholarship and activism. That advocacy has cost me personally and professionally. And I’m hardly alone.

But the more I’ve thought about it, the more I realized the critics are right. People like me do not belong. When you think about it, what do we have in common with this movement?

True, we share same-sex attraction. But even that has been diluted with the addition of transgender causes. Indeed, the insistence of movement leaders on “T” inclusion — even at the cost of passing pro-gay legislation — has only highlighted major conceptual differences between gay conservatives and leftists about what exactly we’re fighting for.

We also share some experience of discrimination. This gives us some common adversaries and some common causes, like supporting the recognition of gay relationships and ending the military’s exclusion of homosexuals.

But the experience of discrimination is different for different people, and we draw wildly different conclusions from it. While gay progressives believe we must have more government in our lives to end discrimination, gay conservatives are wary of interventions in the private sphere. While many movement leaders would punish anti-gay “hate speech,” gay conservatives want freedom even for thought we hate.

Even when we agree on issues, we have very different rationales. Gay leftists tend to see access to marriage and the military as legalistic matters of “civil rights,” even as they distrust these institutions. Gay conservatives eschew such rights talk, and instead see these institutions as important traditionalizing, stabilizing and integrating forces in our lives.
 
AT A DEEPER level, gay conservatives believe the path to happiness leads through the inclusion of homosexuals in all aspects of American life. Gay leftists dismiss this as “assimilation.” Gay conservatives want a place at the table. Gay leftists want to upend the table.

These tensions have grown as gay conservatives have become increasingly self-conscious about being gay and conservative. Gay conservatives are no longer willing to sit still for lectures about what it means to be authentically gay. They will not be silent or silenced.

It is time for gay conservatives to declare independence from the GLBT movement. We’ll still make common cause at times. Gay conservatives will continue to fight government-sponsored discrimination.

But  the marriage of the gay left and gay conservatives under the umbrella of the “GLBT movement” has failed. It’s like waking up one morning next to your spouse and realizing all of sudden you don’t really like each other. You’ve been squabbling all these years to save a relationship you no longer believe in.

Suddenly you grasp the futility of it. It’s saddening but also liberating.



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ray
washington, DC
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gay conservatives want "a place at the table?" Well, the straight conservatives dont want to give you that place - so now what?

Posted 10/17/08 - 10:38 AM


rmg
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Buh-bye now. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Posted 10/17/08 - 10:58 AM


stephenclark
Washington, DC
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"Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out" is an example of the kind of short-sighted, holier-than-thou attitude that has alienated moderate voters in California and increased the chances that Prop. 8 will pass.

Posted 10/17/08 - 3:01 PM


Mark
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Just because you're comfortable being considered a second class citizen and being denied the fundamental rights that are bestowed on hetrosexuals, don't expect the rest of us to sit back and continue to take it. You smugly imply that the very people who have fought so that we can all have more equality are somehow defective and should adopt your point of view. You are part of the problem.

Posted 10/17/08 - 4:01 PM


rpcv84
Laurel, MD
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Beautiful, Dale. You brought tears to my eyes. And, I thought I was alone in feeling the way you so eloquently wrote. I can find nothing to add to your fine expose. Congratulations on a job well done!!

Posted 10/17/08 - 7:39 PM


SILANARODNAYA
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Of course you can be gay and conservative. It makes little sense, however, to claim to be a gay rights activist or a pro-gay political voice when you endorse politicians who openly and consistantly oppose equal rights for gays and who often use their anti-gay positions as a wedge issue to rally the base and win elections. I have yet to see a satisfactory explanation for this behavior on the part of conseravtive gays. Not all gays can afford to make a little bubble world of freedome for themselves. "Freedom is merely priveldge extended, unless enjoyed by one and all."

Posted 10/18/08 - 8:28 PM


Mr Chris
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Goobye and Good writtens

They're just the equivalent of the straight conservatives you know elitist,some racist,etc It's nice to to know you can support a president and candidate who doesn't support you. And the party itself doesn't even recognize you

As far as I am concerned something is better than nothing and we "liberal" gays as we're being considered will continue to fight to sit at the table instead at a booth in the other room

If that is conservatism. I'll take the Liberal pick Alex for 500$

Posted 10/19/08 - 2:32 AM


Ray Gaut
Arlington, Va
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Poor petulent Dale Carpenter picked up his marbles and stormed home because the LGBT community would not cheer him on as he gave aid and comfort to conservative politicians supporting a constitutional ammendment banning gay marriage, DOMA, and "don't ask don't tell." If Carpenter wants to earn the respect and support of the GLBT community he should follow the example of David Cantina and leave the Republican Party or Andrew Sullivan and vociferoulsy confront the right wing bigots in his party. Until you do so Dale, don't go away mad, just go away.

Posted 10/21/08 - 9:26 AM


gordon_geise
Washington, DC
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I've read Carpenter's opinions before and often found them perspicacious. Still, there's something appalling about a person who can (for example) decry 'the everyday contempt for gays that still suffuses life in much of the country' on display in Brokeback Mountain, and at the same time berate the main characters for 'shirking family responsibilities': 'it's difficult to buy the idea that [their] love...is an unvarnished good thing made tragic only by a homophobic world,' he writes, oblivious to the idea that the homophobic world forced their marriages to begin (and to the word 'untarnished').

Posted 10/21/08 - 12:02 PM


gordon_geise
Washington, DC
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In this case, I keep wondering what a 'gay conservative' is; and when it comes right down to it, I have to agree with Carpenter: his views so fundamentally differ from mine as to make him repugnant to my sense of human rights and justice. Most distressingly, he tells me what I believe (e.g., that a place at the table is 'assimilation' and undesirable); he further creates a false dichotomy between gay rights and 'traditionalizing, stabilizing and integrating forces in our lives.' You can call them what you will, but as long as they're being denied to you unequally, 'rights' pertain.

Posted 10/21/08 - 12:07 PM


giacomop
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Of course you can be a conservative and gay. It is not an attractive position to be in, however. The problem is that those who enjoy priviledge will not give you a full share just because you ask nicely, no matter how much like them you try to be, or how hard you have worked to "earn" it. The question is also whether you believe you are owed a share of privilege because you are a member of a privileged group or have somehow "earned" it, or believe you deserve recognition of a right you have because you are human.

Posted 10/21/08 - 1:43 PM


rpcv84
Laurel, MD
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It's such a shame that gordon_geise, Ray Gaut and their ilk are so narrow minded and blinded that they fail to see the full picture of all that is good about conservative principles and governance, that they base everything on one issue - their sexuality. An objective analysis of what the Democrat Party has done for us is next to nothing - remember DADT?? It was the DEMOCRATS that stifled our First Amendment rights. Ask yourself in the voting booth - What have the Democrats done for ME lately??

Posted 10/21/08 - 7:11 PM


Dr. Jillian T. Weiss
Bronx, NY
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Tay conservatives haven't been excommunicated. In fact, HRC relied heavily on Prof. Carpenter in its ENDA campaign. The "rising anger" here is because he thinks that we shouldn't disagree with him so strongly. Okay, he's found a bit of purple prose during an election season when passions are running high. But he must learn to tolerate a robust discussion. I sympathize; I myself have had to tolerate people calling for my expulsion from the LGBT movement because I am transgender. At first I had the same reaction as Professor Carpenter; now I am more sanguine.

Posted 10/22/08 - 5:21 AM


adb12
Royal Oak, Mi
0
What have Democrats done for you lately? Are you living under a rock? I'm pretty sure Democrats have helped get (or keep) same sex marriage (and recognition) in CA, NJ, MA, NY and CT. And the Republicans? Either actively trying to stop it or standing by the sidelines and not doing anything. And let's STOP living in the past. I'm pretty sure we should be looking forward at what we think the Democrats and Republicans WILL DO for us--and at least there are Democrats pushing ENDA and repealing DADT. I don't mind gay conservatives--only when they support antiLGBT Republicans.

Posted 10/22/08 - 6:53 AM


adb12
Royal Oak, Mi
0
And perhaps, as I re-read my comment, we need to think about separating the notion of gay conservative from gay Republican. The problem this year is the narrow-minded, hatemongering individuals running on the Republican ticket. I don't think people have been shouting 'terrorist' or 'kill him' about McCain at Obama rallies, and I suspect Obama wouldn't stand by and let those comments pass (unlike Palin and McCain--and while McCain FINALLY responded, Palin seems to think it's OK).

Posted 10/22/08 - 6:59 AM


adb12
Royal Oak, Mi
0
Why is their so much vitriol targeting gay Republicans? Because they support people like this... When a third-grader asked her what the VP does, Palin said: "That's a great question, Brandon. And a vice president has a really great job because not only are they there to support the president's agenda...but also they're in charge of the United State Senate." According to our constitution, the VP presides over the Senate, but is not 'in charge' of it, nor can the VP vote unless the Senate is split.

Posted 10/22/08 - 9:42 AM


stephenclark
Washington, DC
0
The reason there is so much vitriol is because vitriol feels good, and we all give in to the temptation from time to time. But vitriol is often counterproductive and unfair. There are plenty of substantive grounds for criticism here without getting into character attacks. I agreee that Dems have done a great deal for gay rights lately. But it's also true that Dale hasn't shouted "kill him" at Obama, and one shouldn't assume that he approves of the wingnuts who do.

Posted 10/23/08 - 8:44 AM


adb12
Royal Oak, Mi
0
Stephen: Agreed. I certainly would not accuse Dale of supporting the wingnuts who shouted, "Kill him!" in reference to Obama. But the fact is that it took the McCain a long, long time to finally realize that things had gotten out of hand (and Palin, apparently, has no regrets). So when I read about the Log Cabin Republicans still solidly supporting McCain/Palin, I tend to ask, "What is it about these two individuals that is so outstanding that it outweighs their tolerance of hate?"

Posted 10/23/08 - 11:27 PM


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